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Dakota ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Aug 22 Online Status: Offline Posts: 128 |
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This was a topic on a Facebook advice page . It was decided that clubs and events can and do write weed into their sailing instructions as a obstruction.
But a lot of people felt weed was always an obstruction anyway and this was in the rule book, but no one could find the case study. Could the rules experts on here , give some advice on the matter.
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1143 |
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Some might ask 'is weed ever an obstruction?'
Seriously though Here's the definition of Obstruction Obstruction An object that a boat could not pass without changing course substantially, if she were sailing directly towards it and one of her hull lengths from it. An object that can be safely passed on only one side and an object, area or line so designated by the sailing instructions are also obstructions. However, a boat racing is not an obstruction to other boats unless they are required to keep clear of her or, if rule 22 applies, avoid her. A vessel underway, including a boat racing, is never a continuing obstruction. The key phrase seems to be 'could pass' I think that the definition has to be read down to mean that the boat could not pass through the obstruction. Consider a patch of coloured water stained by a dye marker. It may be that a boat could not pass this patch of colour without changing course, but I don't think that anybody would argue that she couldn't just sail straight through it and that it was not an obstruction. The issue with a patch of weed is then, whether a boat could pass through it at all, or whether a boat, although more or less impeded could eventually pass through the patch of weed. Clearly if the weed is thick enough to stop the boat, it's an obstruction. But if it's not that thick and a boat could eventually push through, how does she stand? What if it's nearly that thick but not quite? So, in an area where patches of weed are a problem, I think it's wise to deal with the matter in the SI. You can't expect a consistent interpretation of the definition without some guidance. |
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Dakota ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Aug 22 Online Status: Offline Posts: 128 |
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Cheers for that , Brass
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Online Posts: 6625 |
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But by that reasoning you don't know whether a given patch of weed - or other debatable object like floating rope - is an obstruction unless you try and fail to pass it, which rather defeats the point of the rule.
Pass is arguably an unfortunate choice of words since it can equally mean pass through, pass over, pass to the side etc. I submit the definition is primarily about the size of the object, and not its physical properties, and pass by is a better interpretation. And I'm not sure that defining patches of weed as or not as obstructions helps some. One floating strand of fucus doesn't comprise an obstruction. I submit its probably best to use the same logic as RRS 20, and if you don't think it's an obstruction then give room and protest. I don't believe its a protest that would often be won though. Edited by JimC - 25 Oct 22 at 9:32am |
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MerlinMags ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Mar 04 Location: UK, Guildford Online Status: Offline Posts: 579 |
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I saw that FB post, and went to http://https://www.racingrulesofsailing.org/ to search for "weed", but could not find anything.
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1143 |
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Jim,
As you rightly say, the definition is primarily about size. For that reason I think you have to construe 'object' according to the dictionary definition of 'obstruction' a thing that impedes or prevents passage or progress; So a thing that impedes or prevents passage or progress; dye marker patch isn't an obstruction but a patch of weed that impedes a boat is. The single stalk of kelp is taken care of be the size criteria in the definition. If you have a problem with weed and want consistent application you need a SI. Note, what makes rule 20 work, after many iterations, is the 'soon need to change course' criterion. I think you could reasonably construe 'need to pass on one side or the other' or 'need to avoid' into the definition. Edited by Brass - 25 Oct 22 at 9:55am |
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Dakota ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Aug 22 Online Status: Offline Posts: 128 |
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What are peoples actual experiences ? I’ve been sailing for 35 years always on narrow rivers or small lakes. I’ve known areas of weed near the bank marked off in some way as a obstruction or marks moved so they are out of a weedy area, but I’ve never had ever had anyone call for water to tack because of floating weed .
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Online Posts: 6625 |
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I've done it. |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3384 |
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If floating weed banks are not in SI's, you don't have to give way, you can be bl,,dy minded, they haven't been keeping an eye out. I would give way (depending on circumstances
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Not even in the banned substances part of the rules? |
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