Mast Passing the centreline after a tack.

   Hi I was hoping someone could help me out, a few weeks ago i got in a chat about rule 42, and what is allowed and not allowed etc. 
A comment was made within the chat about after a tack as "long as the mast does not pass the centre line"....

I cannot find anything in the rules that talks about the mast passing the centreline... have i missed it? can anyone help shed any light on it??

Cheers 

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Nacnud_smada Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 06 Jun 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nacnud_smada Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Mast Passing the centreline after a tack. Posted: 20 Jan 23 at 12:46pm
	Hi I was hoping someone could help me out, a few weeks ago i got in a chat about rule 42, and what is allowed and not allowed etc. A comment was made within the chat about after a tack as "long as the mast does not pass the centre line".... I cannot find anything in the rules that talks about the mast passing the centreline... have i missed it? can anyone help shed any light on it?? Cheers

423zero Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3399	Post Options Post Reply Quote 423zero Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 23 at 1:33pm
	Mast passes centre line of what?
	Robert

Nacnud_smada Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 06 Jun 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nacnud_smada Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 23 at 1:35pm
	Of the boat as its brought up right.

423zero Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3399	Post Options Post Reply Quote 423zero Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 23 at 2:36pm
	Can't see how you would stop it passing vertical at least once, when you cross boat and sit down, think they must mean doing it repeatedly, that is propelling, unless you are trying to pop your battens, which you would do with mainsheet. Edited by 423zero - 20 Jan 23 at 2:41pm
	Robert

Nacnud_smada Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 06 Jun 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nacnud_smada Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 23 at 3:04pm
	i thought the same. thank you !

JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6644	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 23 at 5:01pm
	I have a feeling that might be a phrase from American College sailing rules, which are strange and not altogether compatible with the actual RRS. The trouble with club discussions is that not all the participants may be aware they are not in line with the current state of the rules. Most of the major international classes issue guidelines on rule 42observance, and they are a good source fpr more detail than the bare text of the rule.

andymck Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 15 Dec 06 Location: Stamford Online Status: Offline Posts: 397	Post Options Post Reply Quote andymck Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 21 Jan 23 at 12:51am
	This was once in the rules. Probably the mid eighties era. It is still used in college sailing in the US. Those guys really know how to roll tack and gybe, and often get away with it at the Wilson. Andy
	Andy Mck

GML Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 24 Jul 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 94	Post Options Post Reply Quote GML Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jan 23 at 8:59am
	If you haven't already done so, you should read the World Sailing Interpretations of Rule 42: http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/Rule42InterpretationsMay21-[27359].pdf Without knowing exactly what situation you are thinking about, ROCK 9 could potentially be relevant: "It is permitted to move the mast to windward of vertical at the completion of a tack or a gybe." Edited by GML - 23 Jan 23 at 9:04am

NicolaJayne Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 01 Mar 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 109	Post Options Post Reply Quote NicolaJayne Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 23 Jan 23 at 10:08am
	presumably to stop to 80s/ 90s Style 'Roll tacking battles' as seen in the Ent and N12 fleets

GybeFunny Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 27 Oct 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 403	Post Options Post Reply Quote GybeFunny Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Jan 23 at 9:05am
	I remember back in the 80s/90s there was a rule or interpretation that the mast should only pass vertical once during a roll tack, I expect that is where your club mates are coming from and I would politely suggest they update their 30 year out-of-date rules knowledge. Do these people also call 'Mast abeam' when you try and luff them?